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October 06, 2006

ACC Roundup - 10/6/2006

I haven't done one of these things for two weeks now (damn job!), so I've got so many thoughts that I just can't write them all. I'm no Bill Simmons; I can't crank out 10,000 word entries. Hell, I think I could write 5,000 on NC State alone, but I'll go ahead and see if I can contain myself enough that I can get this finished today.

Boston College - With a bye tomorrow and the Maine game last week, the Eagles will have plenty of time to think about how they screwed up that NC State game. BC had no business blowing that game. About a half dozen things needed to go wrong in the last minute-and-a-half and every one did. At first, I thought that Jim O'Brien made a huge mistake going for that fourth down, but after further reflection, I changed my mind. Convert that one play and the game's over. Even if they didn't get it, they were still in very good shape. The two key mistakes were going with such a predictable play and not running the play clock all the way down to 1 before hiking the ball (my apologies if I'm wrong here. I'm just going on what I remember the announcers saying at the time). Those seconds were absolutely critical at that point. Still, even giving the ball back to State should have been OK. It wasn't. And now BC has to avoid losing at home to an angry Virginia Tech team on national TV. They head to Tallahassee the next weekend. I think it's fair to say that their game against the Hokies could make or break the BC season.

Clemson - Back in the day, before Florida State joined the ACC, Clemson ran things. They won the league most years and put occasional whippings on pretty much every team in the league every few years. The Seminoles changed all that. The 'Noles came in and not only knocked the king off his throne, but bedded down with his wife (and daughter), ate his food and killed his dog. FSU dominated the ACC in a way that even Clemson never did. At the same time, the Tigers were starting to lose to nearly everybody. Not only were they no longer #1, they weren't #2 either. And that's what made their last two ACC games so satisfying to the Tiger faithful. First Clemson went down and smacked around Florida State in their own house, and then they came home and put a woodshed job on one of the ACC's historically premier programs, UNC. It was like old times in Death Valley.

The Tigers have to hope they can keep the clock turned back to the 80s this weekend when they play at Wake Forest. Recent history between the two teams hasn't favored Clemson as much as you might think. Plus, Wake is 5-0 and as confident as they've been since ... uh, well probably forever. I have to think that given the attention this game has gotten and the reminders about how they lost in Winston-Salem last time, the Tigers will be prepared and will handle the Deacs. But you never know.

Duke - I think I pretty much covered the current state of Duke football here. They were simply awful against Virginia. Actually, "awful" might be kind. Somehow I don't think they are going to go down to Tuscaloosa this weekend and beat Alabama. Their next two games after that? FSU and Miami. The over/under on Duke points in that three game stretch? I'm going with 8.

Florida State - If it wasn't obvious before (it was), then there's no denying it now the era of Florida State dominance is officially over. When they beat Miami to start the season, it seemed like maybe they were back, but that was a mirage. NC State recently lost at home to Akron and was blown out at Southern Mississippi - and the Pack dominated FSU for most of the second half last night. After the Noles scored to go up 20-10, State shut them down. The Pack ran down their throats when they had the ball and controlled the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. And again, NC State is NOT a very good team (more on them later).

Maybe it's time for Papa Bowden to think a bit more about what kind of gold watch he wants.

Georgia Tech - After they won convincingly in Blacksburg last weekend, everyone is high on the Yellow Jackets. Everyone but me. Don't get me wrong, I think they are a solid team, but I'm not completely sold that they are a very good team. Good, sure, but not yet very good. Maybe it's Reggie Ball that underwhelms me. He makes some great plays here and there and Calvin Johnson can make any QB look good, but Ball always looks to me like he could throw three consecutive picks at any time. I don't trust him. Of course in the ACC in 2006, he may just be good enough.

Maryland - I have no idea about this team. How could anyone? They've played three patsies and one very good team. They squeaked by all the easy games and got destroyed in Morgantown. We'll learn a whole lot more this weekend when they visit Georgia Tech, but as I wrote above, I don't think the Jackets are that great. Don't be surprised if the Terps keep it close or even pull the upset. Of course, don't be surprised if GT wins by 40. I have no inkling of what to expect from Maryland.

Miami - Poor things. With all the heat that Larry Coker's getting after starting 2-2, you almost want to feel sorry for him and Miami. But not really. I mean, it's Miami! Who doesn't hate Miami? Fortunately for the Canes, as poorly as they may be playing, the schedule's being pretty kind right now. They had a bye and then Houston (whoops, that was supposed to be easy!) and now they UNC, Florida International and another bye (Duke) before they have to play a good team. That's when things get interesting. Larry Coker will earn or lose his job in the back-to-back games against the two Techs in late October, early November.

North Carolina - I was listening to David Glenn on the radio a couple of weekends ago, before UNC played Clemson and State hosted BC. Glenn was arguing that as badly as things had gone for the local teams, he believed that at either UNC or State would probably still go to a bowl game. I believed him. I just didn't know who the most likely candidate was, considering they were a combined 2-4 at the time with no 1-AA wins. A few hours later, the answer was clear. UNC lost 472-3 to Clemson and State won that miracle against the BC. State has since tacked on a W against FSU. Carolina gets their chance tomorrow to beat Miami, just like they did two years ago to save that season. Can they do it again? Sure because Miami sucks, but they probably won't.

NC State - There's not enough time to talk about all the storylines here. One thing I will say to all Wolfpack fans, take it easy with Daniel Evans. I know you all like to get excited about your saviors, but remember that you have a tendency to get a bit carried away. He seems like a good kid and he's played pretty well so far, but he hasn't proven that he's that good yet. Last night, most of the highlight plays in the passing game were not by Evans, but by his receivers. That was one of the greatest collections of outstanding catches you'll ever see. It reminded me of the old days of Florida State and Miami when they would just lob the ball down the sidelines and have their big, athletic receivers just outjump the defenders. I don't think that's going to work for the Wolfpack every week. That said, if they could bottle the energy and execution they display each year against the Seminoles and break it out each weekend, NC State would have that top-ten program they've been dying for ever since Chuck Amato arrived in Raleigh.

Virginia - The Cavaliers aren't good. But they aren't terrible. Not anymore. They were terrible in the first half of their Thursday night game against Georgia Tech, but they've been improving steadily (and slowly) since then. Their defense has actually been quite good (outside of two long touchdowns to Calvin Johnson), but their offense has been abysmal. Freshman QB Jameel Sewell really seemed to settle in once the game in Atlanta was out of hand though, and he kept it up against Duke (yeah, yeah, I know). They still aren't letting him throw the ball downfield much, but if he can stay steady and not make mistakes, Virginia could still salvage a winning record in the depleted ACC. But with games left against NC State, Miami, FSU and Virginia Tech, it won't be easy.

Virginia Tech - The loss to Georgia Tech last weekend was fairly shocking, but in hindsight, it really shouldn't have been. The Hokies really didn't look that great in their big wins against UNC and Duke (and they struggled against Cincinnati), but most people, myself included, sort of "rounded up" those performances, because we just assume that Virginia Tech should be really good. But they aren't. Not yet. They are too young this year. By the end of the season, they might well be a top-fifteen caliber team, but they aren't yet. Games in the next three weekends against BC and Clemson will probably show just how much the Hokies learned in their loss. Given Coach Beamer's recent successes, I have to assume that the Hokies we see in those games will be much better than the ones that took it on the chin against the Yellow Jackets.

Wake Forest - Hands down, Wake is the best story in the ACC so far this year. Not only are they 5-0, but four of those wins came against teams in BCS conferences. Wake went on the road and blasted an SEC team without their starting QB or running back - and they did it by running the ball nearly every play! That just blows my mind, that a team like Wake could go into the SEC and destroy a team using a power running attack. How is that possible? How is it that Jim Grobe is still in Winston Salem? How many ACC schools wouldn't trade their coach for Grobe, straight-up, right now? One? Two?

I kind of wish Wake could just end their season now before reality hits and they start losing games. But then, maybe they won't start losing games. It's been that kind of year in the ACC.

Comments
 
(1) by Lee J. Cockrell (unregistered) on 10/06/2006 07:46 pm
ACC is as wide open as it has been in a long time. Neither Miami nor FSU look good, and VT has already lost one. Wake is 5-0 and still could miss a bowl. I guess I'll pick Georgia Tech to win since they have the most impressive resume.

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(2) by Dave on 10/06/2006 08:46 pm
Lee J. Cockrell wrote:
ACC is as wide open as it has been in a long time. Neither Miami nor FSU look good, and VT has already lost one. Wake is 5-0 and still could miss a bowl. I guess I'll pick Georgia Tech to win since they have the most impressive resume.

Couple of new articles on my site (one football, one basketball):

http://www.electric-mayhem.net/blog


Lee, I'm embarassed to say that I'm not sure I've ever been to your blog before! I will put it in my regular rotation.

 
(3) by Lee J. Cockrell (unregistered) on 10/07/2006 06:03 pm
Wake had one of those games that just makes you hate Clemson. Dominated for three quarters, then just handed it to the Tigers. A come from ahead loss of such magnitude you would have thought it was Virginia.

I just switched from Bloglines to Google Reader to keep track of the blogs I read, if you ever use them.

http://bloglines.com/
http://www.google.com/reader/

 
(4) by Dave on 10/07/2006 08:35 pm
I think something's wrong with CBS Sportsline's scoreboard. It's telling me that Duke is beating Alabama 14-10 just before the half. That can't be right.

It's also telling me that Virginia gave up 24 first-half points to a weak East Carolina team. Serenity now!!



Oh and yeah, that Wake collapse was almost tough to watch. Up 17-3 and kicking a field goal to start the fourth quarter that would have damn near iced the game ... and then it all fell apart. Clemson blocked the kick and returned it all the way - a 10 point swing right there. The Deacons followed that up with an almost comical string of turnovers to help Clemson light them up for 24 fourth-quarter points. Tough loss indeed.

 
(5) by Lee J. Cockrell (unregistered) on 10/07/2006 10:33 pm
I don't think Virginia played East Carolina this season. Surely Virginia would not play two directional schools in the same year, much less lose to them! IMPOSSIBLE.

One good thing about being bad: every time we do something right I'm like "wow, we're improving!" Today we lost by double digits to a 1-3 C-USA team AND I WAS ENCOURAGED BY OUR IMPROVEMENT.

 
(6) by Dave on 10/07/2006 11:21 pm
Lee J. Cockrell wrote:
I don't think Virginia played East Carolina this season. Surely Virginia would not play two directional schools in the same year, much less lose to them! IMPOSSIBLE.

One good thing about being bad: every time we do something right I'm like "wow, we're improving!" Today we lost by double digits to a 1-3 C-USA team AND I WAS ENCOURAGED BY OUR IMPROVEMENT.


The silver lining? I wasn't able to watch it on TV.

 
(7) by Ed-Hoo on 10/08/2006 05:27 pm
I only took my fingers out of my ears and stopped chanting, "I'm not listening! I'm not listening!" when I needed another swig of Yuengling Light, but from what I heard on the radio broadcast, Virginia would have had a hard time with Western Carolina last night...

I was considering making the 140 mile drive to Greenville, but the nor'easter convinced me otherwise. I hope none of the 'Hoo fans who saw the game in person were so distraught that they ended their pain in the Chowan River on the way back...

There is simply no reason that these guys should be this woeful.

 
(8) by Lee J. Cockrell (unregistered) on 10/09/2006 01:05 pm
I paid for a month of CSTV to watch. :(

 
(9) by Dave on 10/09/2006 01:37 pm
Lee J. Cockrell wrote:
I paid for a month of CSTV to watch. Sad


Ouch. I'm glad I wasn't aware of that option.

To me, the saddest part of the loss to ECU is that it can't really even be called an upset. Sure, Virginia was favored (I think), but I don't think the result really surprised anyone. And that shouldn't be.

I'm not ready to jump on the Fire Groh bandwagon yet, but things need to improve.

 
(10) by J. Jones (unregistered) on 10/09/2006 05:19 pm
If not on the fire groh bandwagon, can someone please get on the bench sewell bandwagon with me. After watching all but the GT and ECU games in person, I have seen enough to know a trained dog would have had us winning Saturday's game as well as West Mich. Sewell has not lead a real drive for a score of over 17 yards (the byers pass clearly doesn't count). I have hated groh for a long time, but his reliance on Sewell when a monkey could get us to win these games.

The defense has to be beat knowing that the offense is the suck so no matter how many times they stop the other team, they are doomed.

 
(11) by Dave on 10/09/2006 05:35 pm
J. Jones wrote:
If not on the fire groh bandwagon, can someone please get on the bench sewell bandwagon with me. After watching all but the GT and ECU games in person, I have seen enough to know a trained dog would have had us winning Saturday's game as well as West Mich. Sewell has not lead a real drive for a score of over 17 yards (the byers pass clearly doesn't count). I have hated groh for a long time, but his reliance on Sewell when a monkey could get us to win these games.


Yeah, I don't get that either. On one hand, it's admirable to stick with your guy through thick and thin, but come on. When Olsen came in late against Duke (I know), they actually let him throw the ball down the field (once) and he completed it! They never let Sewell try that pass!

The only thing that I stick to to keep me from completely killing the decision is that Matt Schaub looked pretty damn bad the first year he started too. I never would have guessed that he'd come back the next year to be the ACC POY. Maybe, just maybe, giving Sewell all this time will pay off late this season and next.

 
(12) by Lee J. Cockrell (unregistered) on 10/09/2006 08:55 pm
We weren't favored. In fact, the line started at +3.5 and moved (in gambling terms, a gargantuan amount) to +6.5.

We're looking squarely at 2-10. Groh is doing the right thing by redshirting everyone, there are some signs of improvement, and we have a VERY young team. (Only three seniors see significant time -- Hamilton, Franklin, Snelling.) Groh will be back next year, but the pressure will be on. We should be better, though it would be hard to be any worse.

Groh gets a mulligan for 2006, he needs to be (gulp) .500 in 2007 to keep his job.

We don't have much of an option at QB. Do you start Olsen, who doesn't do much, or Mccabe, who throws touchdowns but it's a coin flip as to which team? We're gonna suck anyway, might as well bite the bullet and let Sewell get experience. The only downfall could be Sewell's ego getting crushed.

 
(13) by Dave on 10/09/2006 09:05 pm
Lee J. Cockrell wrote:
We weren't favored. In fact, the line started at +3.5 and moved (in gambling terms, a gargantuan amount) to +6.5.

We're looking squarely at 2-10. Groh is doing the right thing by redshirting everyone, there are some signs of improvement, and we have a VERY young team. (Only three seniors see significant time -- Hamilton, Franklin, Snelling.) Groh will be back next year, but the pressure will be on. We should be better, though it would be hard to be any worse.

Groh gets a mulligan for 2006, he needs to be (gulp) .500 in 2007 to keep his job.

We don't have much of an option at QB. Do you start Olsen, who doesn't do much, or Mccabe, who throws touchdowns but it's a coin flip as to which team? We're gonna suck anyway, might as well bite the bullet and let Sewell get experience. The only downfall could be Sewell's ego getting crushed.


I agree with you all around. I don't have a big problem sticking with Sewell as the starter, but it might not be a bad idea to sprinkle Olsen in there from time to time. Let Sewell get his experience, but still use Olsen to win games if necessary.

And if UVA goes 2-10 this year, I'm not sure .500 saves Groh's job next year. Actually, I guess it probably would because it would be a 4 game improvement, but he'd have to follow that up with at least 8-9 wins.

 
(14) by Ed-Hoo on 10/10/2006 12:56 am
This thread contains gambling terms and winning percentages, but let's look at the figure that really counts--the Littlepage Largesse Factor or (Littlepage Lucky F****r). That's when you take an exorbitant and overly optimistic yearly salary and multiply it by the number of years left on the contract...
When you look at all those zeros, it becomes apparent that the contract is inedible, and the incumbent gets to hang around.

I haven't delved too deeply, but how do the significant number of non-qualifiers Groh has recruited of late (the infamous "plan" remark) play into the recruiting picture? Does UVa. stash them at Hargrave and hope they don't (I'll let the obvious and easy comment slide...) read the sports page?

Dave, this is turning into "The Sabre, Light!"

 
(15) by Dave on 10/10/2006 01:28 pm
Ed-Hoo wrote:
I haven't delved too deeply, but how do the significant number of non-qualifiers Groh has recruited of late (the infamous "plan" remark) play into the recruiting picture? Does UVa. stash them at Hargrave and hope they don't (I'll let the obvious and easy comment slide...) read the sports page?


To me, that's a worse part of Groh's recent efforts than his losing. There's just no excuse for recruiting so many kids who can't even meet NCAA standards which are pretty damn low. That's not the way a school with Virginia's academic standards should recruit.

Ed-Hoo wrote:
Dave, this is turning into "The Sabre, Light!"


Yeah, well one reason I started doing this is because the Sabre wasn't working for me anymore. It got too popular and I couldn't keep up with the threads. They roll over every hour or two and so if you aren't there all the time, it's very hard to participate.

 
(16) Sabre, Light by Ed-Hoo on 10/10/2006 09:30 pm
Dave, you are too modest--this site is way better than the Sabre.

 
(17) Re: Sabre, Light by Dave on 10/10/2006 10:52 pm
Ed-Hoo wrote:
Dave, you are too modest--this site is way better than the Sabre.


Thanks, Dad.


Actually, I did hope that the message board here could grow into a nice, intelligent ACC board with numerous posters, but c'est la vie. Since I've started this, a zillion sports blogs have sprouted up. There are just too many choices out there. The only message boards that seem to be able to keep large quantities of posters are those that cater to a specific team and I find those boring.

 
(18) by ashevilleandy (unregistered) on 10/11/2006 06:55 am
I agree with Dave about Tech. Its all about Reggie. If he's off, even a Calvin Johnson can't pull off a miracle. But, if he's on, Tech could very well be our ACC champs. Go Jackets!

 
(19) by Dave on 10/11/2006 09:25 am
ashevilleandy wrote:
I agree with Dave about Tech. Its all about Reggie. If he's off, even a Calvin Johnson can't pull off a miracle. But, if he's on, Tech could very well be our ACC champs. Go Jackets!


We'll learn a lot about how good this Georgia Tech team really is in their next three games - Clemson, Miami and NC State. I'm not yet convinced the Yellow Jackets are that great, but if they can go 3-0 in that stretch, I'll change my opinion. Even 2-1 would be good.

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