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October 31, 2006

Tom O'Brien To UNC?

David Glenn has a post up today with the details that he knows about the early stages of the UNC coaching search. The most interesting section is the one where he talks about the coaches who have initiated contact with Carolina. Two names stood out on that list - Rich Rodriguez, who talked about the Carolina job in a puzzling press conference yesterday and Boston College coach Tom O'Brien.

Rodriguez is intriguing simply because he is a hot name and would be such a great get. I mean, the man is coaching the #3 team in the country right now!

O'Brien is a different story altogether. While he's not as sexy as Rodriguez, he has established himself as a very good coach and he's built a very solid program. It would be highly unusual, especially in the new ACC for a head coach to leave one program for another. It would be especially strange if he were leaving one of the good programs. I think folks would understand if a coach jumped from Wake Forest or Duke to one of the power schools, but Boston College to UNC?

Why would O'Brien consider such a move?

The most plausible explanation is that he doesn't really want the job at all. What he wants is the appearance that he could get the job. Being sought after gives you leverage. Leverage gets you a raise. It's a standard part of the coaching game these days. Frank Beamer used the UNC job (intentionally or not) to get a huge bump at Virginia Tech. NC State earned raises for about half of the Division I basketball coaches in the country last year with their wide-ranging coach search. O'Brien may just be looking to line his pockets a bit with some of that extra cash the school picked up by jumping to the ACC.

Another possibility is that O'Brien feels that he's done as much as he can at BC. Maybe he's a bit tired of the job and wants a new challenge. Similarly, he may worry that the fans feel the same way. He's certainly improved the program, but like a shark, fans always want their team moving forward. Have a losing record? The fans want to get to .500. .500? The fans want a bowl. Getting to bowls? The fans now want conference and national championships. O'Brien has BC consistently getting to pretty good bowls and on the fringes of the conference championship race. Maybe he's worried that his efforts are now being taken for granted. A move to a new school would lower the bar and allow him to keep doing what he's doing, but be appreciated more for it.

The only other explanation I can think of is that maybe O'Brien honestly feels that he has a better chance at going to the next level - national prominence - at UNC. If so, that's a tough argument. As I've debated before, I believe that UNC is a first-tier national athletic program with the potential to be great at any sport. They have the resources, support and reputation. On the flip side, with Duke, Wake Forest, NC State and East Carolina around, there is a ton of competition for local talent. Sure, the northeast may not have the athletes that the southern states do, but BC doesn't have too many schools to fight with for the players that are there. Recruiting is fertile, but extremely competitive down south. I think someone could turn UNC into a consistent power - Mack Brown was on his way there - but it won't be easy. If that's what O'Brien is thinking he can accomplish, he might want to reconsider. The grass isn't always greener.

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(1) by tieguy (unregistered) on 10/31/2006 07:52 pm
I wonder if O'Brien is sick of being at a hockey school and doesn't realize that being at a basketball school in the Triangle would be even worse. ;)

To quote from a well-ish connected friend: "Bear Bryant couldn't stand playing second fiddle to Adolph Rupp at Kentucky. Lou Holtz was always steamed that Norm Sloan got more hype at NC State. And UNC's basketball-first mentality is the prime reason Mack Brown jumped at the offer from Texas. I still remember his blowup the day he opened his practice to the press before a big game and nobody showed up because Dean Smith was having a preseason press conference at the same time."

 
(2) by Ricosuave (unregistered) on 11/01/2006 01:45 pm
BC is very good in Hockey, but it is not a "hockey school". The hockey team doesn't even sell out a 7000 seat arena unless maybe for a BU game. BC football and Basketball are by far bigger draws.

 
(3) by tieguy (unregistered) on 11/01/2006 02:00 pm
I didn't seriously mean that BC is a hockey school. Boston is a pro-sports town, though. Even if football is #1 at BC (and it probably is), BC football is then the #5 sport in Boston, behind the Sox, Pats, Celts, and Bruins. That isn't the case in the Triangle- college football is a distant second, but still second, behind college basketball.

 
(4) by Dave on 11/01/2006 02:07 pm
Ricosuave wrote:
BC is very good in Hockey, but it is not a "hockey school". The hockey team doesn't even sell out a 7000 seat arena unless maybe for a BU game. BC football and Basketball are by far bigger draws.


Yeah, I think he was trying to make a funny.

 
(5) by canesfan (unregistered) on 11/20/2006 04:08 pm
How about O'Brien to Miami? Seems like a good fit -- good disciplinarian and coach who likes a tough team with an attitude. If he considered UNC he might be very interested in the head coaching spot -- and the $2 million base salary that goes with it.

 
(6) by Dave on 11/20/2006 04:17 pm
canesfan wrote:
How about O'Brien to Miami? Seems like a good fit -- good disciplinarian and coach who likes a tough team with an attitude. If he considered UNC he might be very interested in the head coaching spot -- and the $2 million base salary that goes with it.


Or NC State?

I'm not sure O'Brien is the right kind of guy for Miami. He's pretty low key. Maybe that's good though considering Miami's talent is usually flashy enough on its own.

I still don't like the idea of one ACC taking a coach from another ACC team.

 
(7) by Catherine (unregistered) on 12/06/2006 05:17 pm
O'Brien isn't leaving BC. He makes less than every coach in the ACC except for the coach at Duke (I think his salary's around $750k) and he's using this as a bargaining chip I'm sure. Knowing how much integrity he has, he'd never leave BC for a school in the same conference. He'll get his raise and he'll stay at BC. It doesn't make any sense for him to go to UNC--he might be the #5 sports draw in Boston (although you could argue that more people care about BC football than the Bruins right now), but I think he likes it that way. No pressure when you're losing but glory when you win.

 
(8) by Dave on 12/06/2006 05:44 pm
Catherine wrote:
O'Brien isn't leaving BC. He makes less than every coach in the ACC except for the coach at Duke (I think his salary's around $750k) and he's using this as a bargaining chip I'm sure. Knowing how much integrity he has, he'd never leave BC for a school in the same conference. He'll get his raise and he'll stay at BC. It doesn't make any sense for him to go to UNC--he might be the #5 sports draw in Boston (although you could argue that more people care about BC football than the Bruins right now), but I think he likes it that way. No pressure when you're losing but glory when you win.


I agree that I doubt he'll leave, but I hardly think angling for two different in-conference jobs to get a raise at your current job counts as "integrity."

 
(9) by Matt on 12/06/2006 09:58 pm
Catherine wrote:
Knowing how much integrity he has, he'd never leave BC for a school in the same conference.


Whoops....

 
(10) by Anne (unregistered) on 12/06/2006 10:25 pm
If BC could pay cash for the archdiocese property across the street from the school, there is no reason they can't increase his salary.I have never heard of a parent or fan talk disrespectfully about him or being unhappy with what he is doing with the football team. If some people are complaining, tell me a place on earth where people aren't complaining. Empty barrels make the most noise. Listen to those who want him and his staff to stay. It would be a disgrace and a major loss to the team and the school's rep if he left. For heaven's sake, do what is necessary to keep him.

 
(11) by BCfan (unregistered) on 12/07/2006 07:22 am
"I have never heard of a parent or fan talk disrespectfully about him or being unhappy with what he is doing with the football team."

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(12) by He sucked anyhow (unregistered) on 12/08/2006 04:14 pm
Personally, I love how doctors who save peoples' lives every day make about $1-200,000 (not bad), and Tom O'Brien isn't satisfied with 750K. What a douche. (Oh yeah, don't get me started on teachers, too)

 
(13) by NCSwatcher (unregistered) on 12/09/2006 06:33 pm
TOB "success" this year typifies what he can do.

stunning wins against 1-AA teams (Maine)
blow outs against winless programs (Buffalo)

one point victories over powerhouses (Clemson)

and losses against legendary teams (Wake, UNC, Miami)

NC state...what are you thinking ?

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